Abstract Dynamics: Michael Teague(s?)

Perhaps now would be the time to write that it has been conclusively shown that the two Michael Teague are different people (one has two daughters, the other a teenage son; one is 36, the other would be 38 today if he were alive; one was serving his country while the other was being prosecuted for crimes ... completely different people). Even Cramer admitted as much in a rather vapid and self-serving apology that she has now pulled from her front page (but which remains available elsewhere).

Cramer smeared a good man's name. Please don't do the same thing on your own blog.

Posted by: Jheka on April 6, 2004 08:30 PM

I wonder why Jheka, a fierce defender of Israel, is so interested in meddling with Kathryn's efforts to discover if Teague is a Nazi.

Posted by: nobody on April 7, 2004 03:08 AM

nobody:

I am baffled as to your meaning. I have no idea what you are suggesting by your post.

Oh, and it has been conclusively shown that the Michael Teague who was murdered in Fallujah was NOT the neo-nazi Michael Teague. Cramer admitted as much in the apology that she has now removed.

But do tell:

Why have you decided to bring Israel into this discussion?

Posted by: Jheka on April 7, 2004 04:05 AM

nobody:

I am baffled as to your meaning. I have no idea what you are suggesting by your post.

Oh, and it has been conclusively shown that the Michael Teague who was murdered in Fallujah was NOT the neo-nazi Michael Teague. Cramer admitted as much in the apology that she has now removed.

But do tell:

Why have you decided to bring Israel into this discussion?

Posted by: Jheka on April 7, 2004 04:05 AM

Sorry about the double post. Computer seems to be acting up a bit tonight.

Posted by: Jheka on April 7, 2004 04:06 AM

DO tell.

jheka IS the coward who is repeatedly insulting and attacking a woman. He may win the prize for most gutless wingnut of the year.

Shame.

Posted by: Barry on April 7, 2004 05:30 PM

All respect to Abe for providing the space for this discussiong to get dragged out into his comments.

Jheka, you confuse the concept of evidence against with the concept of conclusive proof against.

Nor did Cramer admit that the AN Teague and the BW Teague had been conclusively proved different men. She admitted that that piece of evidence suggested against her hypothesis.

I didn't bring Israel into the discussion. I brought into the discussion the disconnect between your fierce support for Israel and your disinterest in whether this man was, in life, an active supporter of anti-semitic causes.

Posted by: nobody on April 7, 2004 05:42 PM

Jheka posted over 80 comments to my site over a several day period. And he's still sending me email.

Posted by: Kathryn Cramer on April 8, 2004 07:06 PM

I feel for you Kathryn. I was a participant at a message board where this jheka person once lurked. He spammed the board continually. He was asked politely several times to stop, and he refused. Eventually the moderator of the board had to block his access. He then came back under another ISP and started up again. He is truly a terrible person. It is my personal opinion that this jheka is bi-polar. He seems to become very manic at times and noone can talk any sense into him. I would suggest you steer clear of this person. Don't try to debate with him. It will only egg him on. Good luck.

Posted by: Alan Dessy on April 8, 2004 08:06 PM

I feel for you Kathryn. I was a participant at a message board where this jheka person once lurked. He spammed the board continually. He was asked politely several times to stop, and he refused. Eventually the moderator of the board had to block his access. He then came back under another ISP and started up again. He is truly a terrible person. It is my personal opinion that this jheka is bi-polar. He seems to become very manic at times and noone can talk any sense into him. I would suggest you steer clear of this person. Don't try to debate with him. It will only egg him on. Good luck.

Posted by: Alan Dessy on April 8, 2004 08:07 PM

there is a definite dr jekyll-mr hyde to him isn't there? I only edited the original post because he seemed rather calm and reasoned. Had I read more on Kathryn's site first I would have left the entry alone.

the worst part is they really have succeeded in not just disrupting a great site, but also apparently in derailing what could have evolved into a revolutionary blog driven investigation. Of course it still might, I really want to know if these are the same men...

Posted by: Abe on April 9, 2004 02:03 AM

Alan:

Either you are simply lying or you have me confused with someone else. Which site have I allegedly spammed? There is a total of exactly one other site where I regularly post as Jheka so, pray tell, what are you talking about? A link would be appreciated. I also posted regularly on Democratic Underground under another nick but the Admin of that site will tell you that I never engaged in spamming or any other inappropriate activities on their site.

And no, I am not sending Kathryn e-mail, as I told her when she (yet again) sent me an unsolicited e-mail. I have never e-mailed her except in response to her e-mails to me and I have asked her to stop e-mailing me three times now.

Just today, one of Kathryn's readers sent me some anti-semitic hate-mail and one or more of your readers has decided to defraud numerous companies using my name by ordering various products and services for me that those companies will never get paid for. Those companies were not at all amused when I explained how it all started. Other Cramer readers have decided to send me e-mail viruses. You must be so proud.

Posted by: Jheka on April 9, 2004 04:29 PM

Actually, Jheka, you were banned from DU for racial slurs against Arabs. And for posting the name and address of a DU member on a comment board at Little Green Footballs.

Alan never said anything about where you regularly post. He said you spammed a message board. I'm assuming he meant DU. And if you think the word spam only ever applies to unsolicited commericial email, you don't know the meaning of the word.

So far, I've found harassing comments made by you at the blogs of Katheryn, Chompsky, and Nathan Newman and evidence of your unwelcome presence at DU and Indymedia.

Personally, I wouldn't personally use the term spam to describe what you do. I'd call it trolling. And when you try to overwhelm a comment board with messages so that discussion is impossible, I'd call it manual crapflooding.

Posted by: nobody on April 9, 2004 11:38 PM

Nobody:

That is a complete and utter lie. I posted as Blitz on DU. I had well over 2000 posts. Go find ONE where I used a racial slur against Arabs or anyone else. I was banned from DU because I criticized various comments on DU on LGF and because the admin decided that I did not share their political ideals. Also, show me where I posted the address of anyone anywhere. And if you're referring to Rat Terrier from DU, who was trolling at LGF and calling Charles Johnson a nazi on DU, I'd like to point out that naming the STATE where someone is from is NOT posting their address, especially where their name is not given. No, Kathryn posted both my address and the address of some random guy named Charles Johnson in LA who has nothing to do with any of this. I have yet to see you or any of her friends criticize her for it.

As for the rest, I did not harrass Chomsky or Cramer. They may not have liked my comments but that does not make them harrassment. As for Newman, I don't recall his blog. Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to my supposed harrassment.

In short, nobody (Bryan? Is that you again?), you're full of it. Again.

Posted by: Jheka on April 10, 2004 05:41 PM

According to a google site search, there are 15 posts, tops, by someone named blitz at DU, 30 if you count comments to others' posts.

Nor did I ever say you made racial slurs at DU.

As for the address, I'll cop to it. You didn't post his address, but you did post his real name, profile, and home state at LGF, the intention of which could only have been to intimidate him.

Having done this, I've little sympathy for your crocodile tears regarding Cramer.

Do you really not know the meaning of the word harassment?

Posted by: nobody on April 13, 2004 03:37 AM

jheka writes:

"Go find ONE (referring to his posts at DU) where I used a racial slur against Arabs or anyone else."

Jheka knows full well that his racist comments at DU were deleted soon after he made them and can no longer be found using the search function. I post at DU and I can attest to the fact that jheka was a flaming bigot. He was referred to as the 'sub-human' for his fondness for using that term when referring to Palestinians.

Posted by: Lori on April 13, 2004 08:14 AM

I find nothing racist about using the term subhuman when applied to the palestinians. The palistinians are a filthy smelly people and cannot be put on the same evolutionary scale as other groups. We need to wall these animalistic creatures into an enclosure and turn Gaza and the small area of the West Bank we give them into a Pali-zoo. People can then pay small donations to observe these subhimans go about their daily tasks and bloody religous rituals. We can toss bits of falafel over the wall and watch the pali-monkeys scurry around trying to catch their food. What fun!

Posted by: jheka on April 16, 2004 04:13 PM

tempting as it may be I won't delete that last comment, and will leave it as a sad commentary on the misguided deliriums of strange people.

I should also note that it does not appear to be coming from the same person posting as Jheka (with caps) earlier in the thread. And if that's someones idea of discrediting someone, its not cool. Fools are apt to hang themselves with their own rhetorical rope anyhow, just let do it, cause libel helps no one...

Posted by: Abe on April 16, 2004 04:29 PM

Abe:

As you correctly noted, that last comment was not from me but from my stalker, who has been doing this all over the net. I'm guessing he's still on his AOL account.

As for "Lori," it's just more lies. I referred to murderers, nnot "Palestinians" as sub-human, and that post is, to the best of my knowledge, still there. I had over 2,500 posts as Blitz and was banned for criticizing DU on another site. In 2 years there, I had very, very few posts removed and absolutely none for bigotry of any kind.

I also never posted anyone's full name on the internet or any other information by which any specific person could be identified.

And yes, I know the meaning of the legal term "harrassment" very specifically.

Note, I'm posting from a different computer so the IP will be different this time, but it's Jheka with a capital "J."

Posted by: Jheka on April 23, 2004 04:47 PM

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Posted by: online casinos on May 26, 2004 08:22 PM

I know Mike Teague's (the one slain in Iraq) wife. I actually met Mike once. Let me lay your discussion to rest. They are not the same people. Mike Teague (Iraq) was one of those men that you could only hope to meet... valiant, loved his family, and he loved his country.

Posted by: Nicole on June 24, 2004 07:31 AM

I know Mike Teague's (the one slain in Iraq) wife. I actually met Mike once. Let me lay your discussion to rest. They are not the same people. Mike Teague (Iraq) was one of those men that you could only hope to meet... valiant, loved his family, and he loved his country.

Posted by: Nicole on June 24, 2004 07:32 AM

We all love our country but Bush dont give a fuck about the Constitution either and Im tired of going down for their shit. My neighbors are almost all black and you wont see any whites helping when we get jumped. Fuck Bush he just wants another Delaney to go down like his old man and the Irish want you to suck dicks.

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Mike Teague of Aryan Nations is viewed my most as a snitch who is in fact working for the feds

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Posted by: contractor license on March 30, 2005 01:35 PM

No just trying to overcome his own double standards and quit being like an Indian blood fucker and yes its a different one.

Posted by: on August 29, 2005 07:59 PM

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Michael Teague(s?)